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Zee SaReGaMaPa Challenge 2009 Episode 18, August 30th, 2008

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Today's Episode: Aadesh Special

Eliminated Contestants: Arshad & Sunvinder !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Antar said...

@Goofy,

You are right and no doubt about that. But one thing really itching me, are they (SRGMP Team) already decided to crown Debojeet or else! Lets go for a postmortem.

Postmortem:

1. At 29 & 30th August episodes 4 most challenging and strong contestants eliminated (Shashi, Fareed & Arshad, Sunvinder). They were equally strong as Debojeet even in some cases better than him. As long as they are here it will be a difficult task for the team to crown Debo.
2. At 23rd August episode Sayan's elimination also indicate the same. Sayan was from West Bengal and Debo also from the same and the SRGMP team didn't want to see Sayan sharing votes against Debo from the same zone.
3. So far Debo has been over hyped by the judges. Despite a good or bad performance of Debo, it's been a regular exercise for the judges to went into the stage and applause him and celebrate. Specially Himesh's & Adi's asking for autographs to him clearly indicate some disturbing premonitions to crown him.
4. Despite the presence of some excellent & superb female contestants like Yashita, Pratibha, Mitika & Naina, they will not gonna win this season also, IMHO. I think the producer, director & the judges are not yet ready to see any girl as a champ of such shows, for this one too.
5. It's very safe to pull all the Pakistani contestants in the final 12 as because whatever happens at least majority votes will not go for them and they will eliminate one by one for sure.

Calculation:

Boys - 5
Girls - 7
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Total - 12

As I already mentioned not a single girl gonna win so among 12 only 5 will remain. Sorry to Yashita, Mitika, Anupama, Pratibha, Sara, Naina & Deepali.

Total 12 - 7 (Girls) = 5 (Boys)

Among the 5 boys 3 are from Pakistan (Faraz, Shujat & Zaheer) and only one of them will reach to the finale (Only per the format of last year).

5 Boys(2Ind + 3Pak)-2 Pak = 3 Boys

Now among the 3 finalists it may be Kaushik or any girl, 1 Pakistani & Debo is for sure. There is no chance for Kaushik to win as like as the girls (Same for the contestant who will re-enter through Brahma Aastra).

3-1 = 2 (Debo & 1 from Pak)

And the same thing will happen like last year. Pak contestant will not get too much votes & as a result Debo will win.

Winner - Debojeet

Now, at the end of Grand Finale, Debo might think people crowned him but if such things happened is it really after all of these !!

Siddhartha said...

@Antar, great calculation. But don't be so sure now. I agree that only 1 pakistani will make it to the finale and most probably it will be Faraz Butt.

Now, other thing you missed is, Sunwinder's vote back. I am 1000% sure that Sunwinder will be the best bet for Zee this year. He will capture the emotions of Punjab and Hariyana due to Ishmeet's unfortunate death. Zee wants to bank on the vote bank. Zee wants more money and because of that only, Sunwinder is voted out. You will mark my words...Sunwinder will be back in Bramharstra and he will be one of the finalists. Debojit will get a very solid fight from him and Kaushik (he is half Bengali). I am kind of inclined towards Kaushik though. I totally agree with Antar that Debojit is slightly over hyped by the judges and Aditya. My prediction is Kaushik, Sunwinder and Faraz. Lets see...

Hemant said...

Antar da,

I am shocked at Sunvinder's elimination.
I think you are right about pre determining the winner.
It is a repeation of SVOICU contest.

Tonight, I will see the programme and comment.

Hemant

Antar said...

@Siddhartha,

Actually I didn't miss that. Before the final calculation I clearly mentioned that "There is no chance for Kaushik to win as like as the girls (Same for the contestant who will re-enter through Brahma Aastra)". I would also like to see Sunvinder back to the show and I believe there is a very big chance for him. But I still believe Sunvinder's come back will not gonna make any difference as all things are pre-scripted.

@Hemant Da,

From the beginning all things being like this way in such shows. Gajj started & others are following him. Nothing new.

Thanks.

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Neelakshi said...

2all
Hav enot been writing since 2 days because the ELIMINATIONS were shocking...IMO. Shashi, a classically trained isnger, with immense range and potential, selected to be eliminated? It was shocking. I don't know the motive behind it, but I hate it when a contestant loses out on amtters other than singing. I thought it was totally unafir...he and pratibha were there in my top 5list...
This is not old saregama. Will sahhsi actually make it back through wildcard?? I doubt it. But I would request all here to vote for him

apart from being a gifted singer, he is a simple boy with no drama, controversies and saas-bahu sgaga so i doubt his survival in long run. But at least a singer like him SHOULD NOT be eliminated by so called repsectable judges. it was a sad day in history of sarega

Neelakshi said...

@all
i didn't watch saregama yesterday as I was not at home. But on FRiday's episode lal i can say is
PRATIBHA- MIND BLWONG!!!s he is an amazing singer. as asha jee said-" aap seekhi hui lag raha hai." techncial control, classical range and epth...granted she is not blessed with a 'playback' voice like Naina. But I think she can make her field in classical music.

Naian is a lot like Nihira...she has playback potential + techncality. But Pratibha is merging as mys trong favoruite, becasue I don't ONLY judge singers by their potential for playback. We need singers who can sing semi classical/ classical also...

SHASHI- another trained singer given under-exposure by Zee. This is same zee which crowned singers like bela, sanjeevani, neha rajpal,shreya ghoshal and amey date...all trained singers. why are they changing standards so drastically? Granted shahsi was not comfortable with the osng per se, but his throw and his murkhiyas were top-notch. AND WHEN WILL WE HAVE PROPER THEMES LIKE SEMI CLASSICAL/GHAZAL? rock and pop and hip hop...something seems wrong

YASHITA is just an average singer and I think she will be exposed once we have some rouns which require more than attitude. She is nowhere near naian and pratibha and lacks that sweetness as well

ANUPAPAM..another sad case. Too much rona-dhona and little substance. She didn't deserve to be in top 12. But of course how could they eliminate her in front of her family?

DEBOJIT...a case of over hype. I believe there is omething under the surface here. it will all come out soon. his performance was strictly average, again like yashita will be exposed once some proper music starts(Indian)

FAREED,SHIJAT,FARAAZ were all mediocre. Nothing to write home about. In my opinion, shujat was pretty average and faarz sang well, however I do believe fareed is a better singer than both

jatin said...

Yesterday was "Aadesh Shrivastav" special episode, so the best tribute to him was eliminating Sunvinder.

See its very strange Aadesh makes most of the money by singing Punjabi songs, even with the Jamaican singers he was singing Punjabi songs, but he can not tolerate any member of that community to progress in the reality shows he judges.
What a shameless person. "Jis thali mein khatta hai, ussi mein ched karta hai."
He earns his bread and butter singing and composing Punjabi songs , but is full of hatred against that community.
Shame on u Aadesh!

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Arindam said...

Have u seen any reality show in the recent past that had episodes dedicated to songs sung by maestros like Lataji,Ashaji, RafiSaab, Kishore Kumar, Hemant Kumar.. No.. and also as Neel said in the past.. classical, semi classical and proper judges choice rouinds have become "fossils" that sums up the kind of songs sung.. every channel is after TRP and most singers are more eager to make quick money through shows and albumns and devote little or almost no time for Riwaaz. These two points sum up 1) why u get to see so much crap and dramabazi in most reality shows and 2) why winners in most cases vanish into thin air within 2 yrs of the show.

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kvniranjan8 said...

@do svidaniya,

I don't think young kids have any specific preference of their own. What the're surrounded with as they grow up becomes their preference.

U can see that even the kids of CU were comfortable singing Lata and Asha songs from a era long before they were even born. It's amazing.

So it's the responsibility of the music directors, producers, etc to mould proper preferences into the younger generation.

They should boldly encourage the traditional genres of music.

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jatin said...

When is Indian Idol starting? This time i would like to see that show as till now i havent watched even a single episode of that show.

Neelakshi said...

@jatin
Indian idol 4 starts on 19'th septemeber. I think it will be entertaining as this year both svoi-2 and saregama 2009 have been a flop show. i loved saregama, but until they bring back shashi it is not worth watching. half of those in top 12 are completely undeserving.
In svoi-2 i like vipul,ritisha and vinti. i hope theya re in top 3. But I doubt it.

jatin said...

Neel,

Zakir and Ryan Dyas will make it to the top3 as they are both judges and gajji's favourites.
I wonder what chance do talented singers like Vipul and ritisha have in SVOI2.

Hemant said...

Jatin,

Gajji ke Rajya Mein,

Gadhe Gud khate hain
Aur Ghodon ko ghas tak nahin milti.

Hemant

Did u see the link I posted for you last week?
Check it out.

Antar said...

@Goofy,

I think thats the link which you are looking for where Mitika performed in front of Ashaji & received huge kudos.

Episode of 25th July.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IscFWt8lDR4

Thanks.

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Neelakshi said...

@goofy

I still prefer saregama over SVOI any day. obviously the quality of singers is higher in saregama or rather WAS before they decided to eliminate shahsi, arshad and sunvinder. They were 3 of the most promising ones. But the point is the mahurus were not the best judges on that particular theme. Can ghulam ali saab actually judge rock/pop/hip hop? did they ahve to eliminate 4 every week just for the heck of it? They completely massacred the show thanks to format change.

Now i ask you what are deepali, anupama,debojit and shujat still doing in the show? Even sara for that matter. They were nowhere near the ones who got eliminated due to ONE bad performance that too on a silly theme judged by judges who know nothing about that theme. Just think how better the format was when asha ji and kavita ji were mahagurus. they actually got to know about calibre of contestants.

last week eliminations were jsutified. but eliminating shashi was a big error. His 'saaware' still gives me goosebumps. granted mitika, naina and pratibha are still in show and I would watch it for them only. But their main comp. - shashi and arshad- are eliminated. It seems unfoprtunate indeed

As for SVOI, the quality is so bad there I have no time left to judge singers. i mean, if the structure itself is so flawed with the worst judges in history of reality shows, i wonder how we can fairly judge the singers. some of them like ritisha, vinti and vipul are quality singers. But their talent gets diluted in such an environment hwere the worst are projected as best

All said and done, I can't leave saregama yet...and won't till the finale I guess. Its packaging is good. And i am hoping shahsi returns through wildcard though i feel sunvinder stands a better chance(as it will be due to voting only)

jatin said...

Hemant Bhai/ Antar,

I think a decent blog on Big Boss is required. Please start a blog on that programme.
Please think about it.
As the programme comes every day the blog would be alive and kicking. These music shows are becoming quite boring anyways, so please think about starting something new.

jatin said...

Whats this Brahmastra in saregama, can anybody tell me about this.

Antar said...

@Jatin,

Jatin, it's simple "Wild Card Entry".

jatin said...

Antar,

What about the Big Boss Blog, will u be starting it.
You are a champion in starting blogs, so just start this one too.

Neelakshi said...

@antar
are you happy with the eliminations this week? and hemant da? No comments from you guys...

Hemant said...

neel,

I already posted my pain at Sunvinder's elimination.

But he is going to be brought back via Brahmastra.
This is just a ploy to garner sympathy of Punjab.

Channel will have to decide between Mitika and Sunvinder. They cannot have both at the samee time. So if Mitika is eliminated at a later stage, Sunvinder will be called in.

Thus Punjab will be kept happy.

About the bombay Tapori's elimination, I am not surprised.
His voice lacks sweetness and is very abrasive type of voice.

He is not a playback material and he has and had to go.So he went/got eliminated.

Hemant

Neelakshi said...

@hemant
But what about shahsi? He was the best among guys. Now its an all girls competiton with naina, pratibha and mitika fighting for top spot. All 3 are good, but Pratibha is emrging as my strong favourite- I loved 'ab ke saawan' by her on friday

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Neelakshi said...

@goofy
I know what you mean by 'under the table'...lol

Anyway hear this link of aishwarya majumdar- her best performance and the only one in which she was flawless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xc62NyOKjY
For once she concentrate on sur, pitching and throw- she was excellent. These kind of songs actually show your calibre.

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Antar said...

@Neel,

For the reason of this week's elimination I placed my calculation how Debo will win this year. Without Shashi, Fareed, Arshad & Sunvinder this show just lost 60% of it's charms & thrills. I don't know how they already scripted the "Brahmma Aastra" chapter which will happen just after two week, will it be done by public voting system or not but I really would like to see Sunvinder back to this show. Basically I would like to see all the four back but I know it's not gonna happen.

By the way, you also said contestant like Shujat why still in the show. Cmon Neel, he is the most classically trained along with Shashi among others. I know he is facing inconsistency but he is simply great.

Prediction on next week's elimination:

Definitely a female contestant or 2 will eliminate next week. If one then it should be Deepali and if 2 then Anupama should join Deepali. If any boy eliminated then I really can't guess who it will be.

@Jatin,

Bro, just give me some time to think about it.

Thanks.

Antar said...

Adnan-Aadesh Jhagda


Mumbai:


Adnan Sami and Aadesh Srivastava had a pow-wow at singer Richa Sharma's birthday bash on Friday. The party, which had several B-Town singers and composers in attendance, was held at the BJN Banquets at Fun Cinemas, Andheri.

It is learnt that the birthday girl made every guest belt out a song. When it was Adnan's turn, much to his shock Aadesh told him he had no sur!

Says a source, "There were mostly music folk at the celebration. Everyone was taken aback when Aadesh passed the remark. Adnan then told Aadesh that perhaps he'd had a glass too many due to which he was talking like this. Later a verbal duel occurred between the two composers."

Something amiss

It is learnt that Adnan moved away to one end of the party hall. Soon Aadesh and a couple of other guests came towards him. The source continues, "Aadesh then told Adnan in Punjabi that he had become very big. He told him that he does not know how to show respect to elders. This resulted in Adnan telling him that he should first become big, only then he would show him respect! It was clear to any onlooker that something was amiss between the two."

Says Aadesh, "Yes, it's true that Adnan and I had an argument but it was nothing personal." As for the cause of the duel, the Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge judge says, "I am the president of the Cine Music Directors' Association. Adnan was agitated as to why he was not being made a member. The authorities wanted to question Adnan before making him a member. He was not submitting the required documents. When this subject arose, an argument took place. I was only doing my duty but Adnan could not handle it." Adnan remained unavailable for comment.

Also Present at the bash were Sunidhi Chauhan, Kailash Kher, Udit Narayan, Anup Jalota, Shweta Pandit, Babul Supriyo, Anaida, Madhushree, Mahalaxmi Iyer, Prasoon Joshi among others.

Source: http://www.india-forums.com/

Antar said...

Format of Brahma Aastra or Wild Card Entry round:

"The early eliminated contestants can also perform in this round. The boys will sing Kishore Kumar songs and the girls will sing Lata Mangeshkar songs. From the wild card entries, two will be selected by the judges".

Lets make a poll for it. My choices are:
1. Sunvinder &
2. Shashi (The prob is Aarshad is also in my list).

Whats yours?

jatin said...

Antar,

With Aadesh Shrivastav there, Suninder will never be able to make his way back. I hope I am proved wrong.

jatin said...

How many contestants can come back after the Brhamsatra round. There must be some limit.

Hemant said...

Friends,

I love walking through cyberspace at a speed that I love.
I walk with a huge spyglass in my hand. There are so many startling facts that I have gathered, that many questions, you have had so far about Television serials and reality shows, will be answered in due course.

Here is something for you to chew .


Software to read viewers` pulse

Ashish Sinha / New Delhi August 13, 2008, 5:01 IST



TELEVISION: Dashboard, a new TV rating tool, offers second-by-second viewer response.


Ever wondered why suddenly a new character gets introduced in your favorite soap opera on television and changes the entire course of the story, or why a popular contestant in a reality show suddenly gets axed?

Believe it or not, it is viewers like you who influence these snap decisions taken by broadcasters and programme developers. This has been made possible by new software introduced by Mumbai-based overnight ratings agency Audience Measurement and Analytics (aMap) called Dashboard.

Several production houses like Endemol and Balaji have used Dashboard to tweak the story plot of their shows so that viewers stay hooked to their shows a little longer.

At stake is Rs 2,500-3,000 crore worth of advertising revenue generated by general entertainment channels. A score of channels like Star Plus, Zee TV, Sony TV, 9X, Colors and NDTV Imagine vie for this money and constantly need to monitor viewer response. Companies buy advertisement slots on these channels based on the popularity of their shows.

This is how the Dashboard software works: After the telecast of a television show, the producers run it against the show to get a second-by-second analysis of viewership response.

It works for drama serials, reality shows or even a cricket match on the screen. It also gives additional viewer-centric information like gender, city, age-group and the socio-economic background of the viewers.

Not just the television production houses, advertisers too can see real-time viewership response to their television commercials through the software, claims aMap.

“Through dashboard, we can actually see how many viewers were watching a TV show each second and how many switched channels when a particular character or a participant was on-screen,” says aMap Chief Executive Amit Varma.

But some creative directors and programme heads do not approve of a mechanical approach to creativity. Gajjendra Singh, the promoter of Sai Baba Telefilms and the brain behind hit reality contests like Saregama and Voice of India, says: “I am aware of this tool but I would always depend on my gut feel and creative instinct over anything else when it comes to taking creative decision for the shows.”

However, a Sony TV marketing executive defends Dashboard: “Advertising spot rates are a direct function of viewership that is determined by the TV ratings. If our production house gets scientific information on what viewers like in the serial or a show, then it will only help them better the content.”

On his part, aMap’s Varma calls his software an assistance tool for everyone including advertising agencies, companies, broadcasters as well as the production houses.

“Abroad, similar software is used to analyse viewer response during election campaigns on television. Here, several news channels have used it during say budget speech, or a similar event,” says he.

At the moment, to run the software for one hour costs over Rs 25,000. aMap soon plans to launch a real-time tool that will use a very-high speed dedicated broadband internet connection.

“It is a matter of few months when we launch the next version of Dashboard that would give instant feedback to our clients,” adds Varma.



WITH THANKS ..FROM BUSINESS STANDARD

Neelakshi said...

i also feel shahsi and sunvinder

I alos like arshad and manisha
Its a tough call
see its not only judges' choice
eevn public voting has aplace that's what I heard

Anyway I would like to see debojit, anupama and deepali get elimianted. None of them are that great. deboa nd anupama should hav eben out long ago. If saregama is rigged, couldn't they have chosen someone better like naina or pratibha to be the winer? these and mitika re the only ones among presnet top 12 who can win(shujat lacks consistency, zaheed lacks psark) Their only comp. was shahsi, arshad and sunvinder hwo I hope come back in ilwdcard

Neelakshi said...

@antar

really the eliminations don't make sense. IOn 2 weeks they elimianted 4 or 5 of the stronget contendros.and WHY debojit? he seems retarded to me(no offense meant) and surely not a great singer.
Unfortunately shujat, faraaz and zaheed don't have what it takes to be a winner. Kaushik has a very nice voice quality but I've heard only 1 song of his so cannot comment much.
I would like naina, pratibha, shashi,mitika,arshad and sunvinder to be in top 6 and winner to be either shashi or pratibha. Naina/mtika are aslo excellent,a nd I will be happy if they win also.

Hemant said...

Neel,

Kaushik may be a dark horse in this contest.

Debojeet is much hyped but you know what happens to much hyped people..Remember Vineet the vaman?

Hemant

kvniranjan8 said...

When's the Brahmastra round?

Forgive me for giving SVOI2 news, this week Vinti's out.

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Antar said...

@KVN,

We have to wait two weeks for the Brahma Aastra round.

@Hemant Da,

You are absolutely right about Kaushik. But I still believe Debo is Zee Team's main target.

@Neel,

As two contestants will back through Brahma Aastra round so I really would like to see Sinvinder (Must) & Shashi/Aarshad (any one among them) back to the show. By the way, why you didn't mention Yashita's name beside Pratibha, Naina & Mitika? She is simply best among the girls.

@Goofy,

My choices are Sinvinder (Must) & Shashi/Arshad any one. By the way, I saw so many times of Debo's performances and I didn't find anything special on him except judges unnecessary applauses and cheerings. He is simply over hyped nothing else and thats the true identity of him.

Thanks.

kvniranjan8 said...

Thanx Antarji,

If the Brahmastra round will have Kishore Kumar and Lata's songs, I'm not going to miss it.

How many wild card singers r there? Will it be 1 episode or 2?

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Hemant said...

friends,

The gimmick of two hour voting tried by Gajji seems to have back fired in SVOIC.
He might have thought that this way was a sure fire way to create a demand by getting even the favourites eliminated by limited time voting will increase his TRP.

But the whole gamble seems to have backfired when real good singers got eliminated.

Now I find those singers doing a Dharna and Gajji seems to be ready to eat a humble pie and swallow what he had vomitted.This he has to do because SVOICU is left with very few good contestants.

I think Gajji will never be able to get back his image of old Saregama magic. Zee TV, on the other hand seems to be sailing with all the sails open in favourable winds riding on Gajji's old baby Saregamapa.

Let us see how long the fading magic of Gajji's name lasts because the recent WAR-PARIWAA's expose has removed even the last vestige of seeming truthfulness from his manipulated programmes.

Hemant

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Hemant said...

Goofy,

You said it man. I always listen to comparative videos of contestants by closing the eyes and just listening to them. This gives the true picture(sound). LOL

I also reciprocate the same greetings of Ganesh Chaturthi to all our friends out there.

I also wish a very happy and pious moth of Ramadan to our Moslem friends.

Antar da, May your prayers to Allah be heard and May peace Be Upon All His Followers. Amin

Hemant

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Neelakshi said...

@all
I don't care who comes back, but shashi must. He is the best. Antar, i don't like yashita's singing. there;s nothing aboout her which is soulful(like naina), technical(like pratibha) and fresh(like mitka). So no, in the long run i don't see her competing with them. she is good at limited hip-hop and dancing, she reminds me of prakriti who was agreat performer but even prakrit has a better voice quality.

As of now, I would like arshad and shahsi to return. Though Hemnat da feels arshad's voice lacks sweetness, I don't think sweetness is all that important for a male singer's voice. arshad has an offbeat quality and something unique which needs to be atpped.

Antar said...

Dear Hamant Da & Goofy,

Thanks a lot bro's. I also wish you happy Ramadan & Ganesh Chaturthi including all.

@Neel,

Whatever it is, Yashita is simply superb. To me she is the best among all the female contestants. By the way, I really would like to see Arshad & Shashi back to the show but as only two has to back through Brahma Aastra round so my first choice is definitely Sunvinder and then anyone among the 2.

Thanks.

Siddhartha said...

After listening to Yashita, Naina, Pratibha, Anupama and Mitika, I felt that Pratibha is best among the lot. Naina comes second. Yashita is third and Mitika fourth followed by Anupama.

In Brahmastra, I wish Sashi to be back along with Arshad. Sunwinder still need to work a lot. He has potential though. Sorry Jatin.

But I am sure that Sunwinder will be back for sure. Sashi might or might not based on the ZEE TV vote calculation.

Final: Sunwinder, Kaushik/Debojit, Faraz.
Champion: Sunwinder

Sing is King!!! Jai Matadi Lets rock!!!

jatin said...

Siddhartha,

Why r u saying sorry to me, I am not bothered if Sunvinder comes back or not.
Anyways even if he manages to come back, Aadesh Shrivastav will make his life miserable. So its better if he stays out. He will be saved from humiliation.

Antar said...

@Siddhartha,

I think you are right. There is a little chance for Shashi as a devastating flood already caused 3 million people homeless in Bihar and for the reason he will definitely not get too many votes from his zone. Zee team knew it very well and thats the only reason Shashi might not back to the show. What a poor reality. Hope I will be wrong this time

Neelakshi said...

should vote politics reduce a singer's chances? i sometimes wonder what USE is wilcdrad. are the best really brought back?
For every abhas, raja and Amit paul brought back throug wildcard, there was a priyani instead of Arshpreet,a prakrit instead of geeasthri and a prajakta instead of priyani/himani in JJWS. so wildcard functions arbitrarily.

lets see if C2009 brings abck the best male ontestnats- shahsi. or will they consider his 'weight in gold' before decidong? a sorry state of affairs indeed. I would like u all to mail zee at response@zeenetwork.com to bring back shahsi

Neelakshi said...

@siddharth

yes indeed pratibha is best.And even shankar knows it- he said he will amke her sing in his future films. lets see if he keeps his promise. he is an excellent judge and seems like a person of integrity

its not fair to compare pratibha with mitika/yashita. Yashita seems to be afavoured child of zee, like debojit. the sangeeth chakra circulated between her and debo, whereas pratibha, naina who are classically trained seemed to be sildelined. we always blame gajji for making his favourites apparent(Harshit, aishwarya majmudar, anatra mitra) But zee is equally insidous and unofrtunately their 'favourites' lack the charm which gajji's favourites ahve(all of them have good perosnalities)

Where can i place debojhit and yahsita? Why is dhoom gharana hyped so much? there is efinitely a pro-bengali lobby which functions in zee. Def. in the junior shows anmaika, sanchita deserved to win. But in the adult versions debojit saha(at that time) and aneek's win(though I like aneek's singimng, but his win was a surpise). If debjit dutta wins this time, all credibility will be lost.

We have already enough hip-hop singers like Atif Aslma, alisha chinoi who are not trained and extremely besura.Pratibha is simply the best because of her training. just see the songs she chooses. Like anwesha, this girl never goes for the easy options. listen to her 'aan milo sajna' in one o the first episodes. awesome

If yahsita and debojit get preference over pratibha and shashi, its asad day for saregama. This show has given us bautifully tarined singers like sanjeevani, neha rajapal, ronkini gipta, parthiv gohil, shreya, bela etc.
and in what way is yahsita, debo more 'marketeable' than partubha and shashi? For all its worth, thelater have much better personalities, are well turned out, simple and yet grounded. So zee's startegy mihght just turn on its head

Antar said...

@Neel,

Just explain to all of us why Atif Aslam & Alisha Chinoi are besura. Basically I would like to know that. Because what I saw/know Atif produced some of the biggest musical hits in the industry for last couple of years and Alisha once rocked in the pop Zone, if I am not wrong. If both of them are besura then why they are still so popular in the subcontinent. Though thanks to almighty and you, at least not to say anything like this against Lucky Ali & Adnan Sami.

Cheers.

Hemant said...

Neel,

Same koischan ij in my bheja also.
Alisha and Besuri?
Atif and Besura?

Both IMHO can use their throat (I mean Galla/voice) very ipherctibly. And both hab giban bhest mujik .

So plisss gib one example.

More later

Hemant

Hemant said...

Neel,

Just listen to this song and see how effectively Alisha has used her lower tone and brought variations.
Though I would not call this a great song or such m, but this woman knows how to deliver oomph through sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df2wD9jceuA

By the way, I am Not A Fan of either Alisha or Atif.
I think Raja is a better singer having same voice culture than Atif.

Again that's my opinion.

Hemant

Neelakshi said...

Oh please, all the world is debating upon atif aslma's 'besurapan'. i won't even go tere. from aadesh to Abhijeet to sunidhi all singers have mentione dit. And I really don't think i need to prove it. its not even an opinion. Its fact. listen to 'bakhudi' sung by aatif and alka. you can make out the diff. right away
Atif has a rough voice with a kind of rasp which just doesn't flow. he has an originla voice but it doesn't matter if you cannot sing in sur. all the relaity show singers are better than him. I am surprised, hemant a, that you are unaware of this! each and every judge in these musical shows has commneted upon this issue.
Anyway aatif's songs are hits-period. even farhan akhtar's songs are hits from 'Rock on' does that mean he is a singer?

as for alisha I heard her live eprformance in indian idol and you can decide for yourself if she was in sur or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfGvaen5rIk

however these people seem to be having demand in music industry. Maybe its because of the 'pop' quality. But little prakriti was scolded by kunal for that same quality, whereas she was so young and had much more pomise than some so called established singers. these are the double standards.

Siddhartha said...

@Neelakshi,

I understand your sentiment and I have full respect to your opinion about Debojit and yashita or Dhoom gharana. But, I feel you are little bit frustrated as Sashi is out. Undoubtedly Sashi is one of the best singers in SRGMP2009. I agree he should come back and I want to see him back again in the show. The point is you are kind of unnecessarily overlooking Debojit's capabilities. he may be little over hyped but not as bad as you are thinking. Yashita is also not a bad singer. She has a character in her voice and she can make the peppy numbers very much alive. That's her plus point. Debojit (with a nice voice) has a very pleasant innocence at his gesture which attracts people very much. Remember, this is not only a singing show. The singers must be a good performer. I think Sashi is little new to this area. He has a fantastic classical voice but he must work harder to be ready to understand "filmy kaida". My favorite Arshad also little behind in this area. Sunwinder is 100% champ in that zone. He knows how to sell himself and he will succeed in future in this show. I am not sure if he will be able to a successful playback singer or not but he might win this show for that wonderful quality. Same way, Yashita makes a very charming entrance all the time. The gesture, the power, the voice quality/character is fresh and that is why people like her. Now when you talk about the Bengali lobby, I have no idea on that. But there might be. Debojit Saha (I really like and liked his performances), Aneek, Sanchari, Anamika and the best in the lot... Anwesha...everyone is Bengali. Yes, little strange indeed. But, it would be very unfair to tell if another Bengali winds this year, it will be a got-up game. I don't think that way.

Again, I feel your pain for Sashi being eliminated. I am also sad for that. But I still believe (even though Antar mentioned about flood in Bihar) he will come back.

I totally agree with Antar about your comment on Alisha and Atif Aslam. Though, I don't like Atif's voice as I think he has too much vibration in his voice, but I don't think he is besura as Abhijeet/Adesh think. At the same time I feel that KK or Shaan could have been better choice for any song that he sang. Alisha, on the other hand has unique voice. No way I felt she is besura.

Finally - Jatin bhai...dil pe mat lo...Sunwinder wapas ayega aur aap khush bhi honge. :-)
But I don't understand aap Aadesh se itna bhadak kiun gaye? Now, in fact I am surprised to see a new Aadesh. He seems to be very nice person compared to his earlier presence in other shows...I might have missed something though...

Anyway...shubh ratri...Happy Ganesh Chaturthee and Ramadan to all!!!

Neelakshi said...

@siddharth

Thanks for your comments. Yeah, I think you are right overall. But still, I think everyone knows shahsi is better than debojit. Yet he will never be 'warrior of the day'. Quite sad. But there's no point criticizing the participants. its all the channel house, the rpoduction team's fault. I have nothing against debojit, yahsita etc.

Yeah u r right abt the filmy aspect which shahsi and pratibha lack. That's what I had written earlier also. Naina is the ONLY contestant this year who combines both. The ones who will make it good in filmy arena are sunvinder, sayon, mitika, debojit, yahsita. The ones who are technically/classically strong like shashi, pratibha, arshad do not have this quality. But again that depedns on the priorities of the show.
Aishwarya majmudar and anwesha duuta- the fromer is just right for plaback but anwesha can make it big in both playback and classical snging. we have shreya ghoshal, alka kagnik and kavita krishnamurthy who are classiclaly tarined froma young age and have made it big in playback. so again its the way one projects these singers that matters. a classically strong contestnat can ge good in playback, but surely the aim of these shows is to show good singers and not just plyaback quality voices?
Here's the debate regarding atif between aadesh and pritam-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0kBgOsv8Q

Antar said...

@Siddhartha,

You scratched all the words from my mouth which I almost liked to state to Neel. What a telepathy!!

@Neel,

Just forget about Atif or Alisha (We all know how much they achieved) just tell me about Lucky Ali and Adnan Sami. I would just like to know an opinion of yours about them. Treat this as a curiosity of mine.

Thanks.

Antar said...

@Neel,

As an example you mentioned Aadesh & Abhijeet's names criticized on Atif. Yeah they both criticized him. But you know, the same Aadesh once questioned on Abhijeets abilities & singings and if you don't believe just watch SVOI 1, Lucknow Audition. Here is one line from that,"Tum singer ho, tum gawa sakte ho usko". Rest you can watch.

Neelakshi said...

@antar

I lucky adnam sami's voice quality a lot. as far as I can make out, he has a unique voice and sings in sur and taal. By the way, i didn't gte it what's the connection between aatif aslam and adnam sami? If you think I judge singers according to thier nationality, you are wrong. So don't look for hidden connections

I haven't heard too many of lucky ali's ongs so cannot comment. I liked his 'ek pal ka jeena' from khao na pyaar hai. But whatever you think i will maintain aatif aslma is not a good singer. Its upto you now how you think it.

Neelakshi said...

s for what aadesh thinks about abhijeet, how does it concern me? I just staed their names because I agreed with them regarding aadesh- though they could have expressed it more politely on national television. Anyway their main point was most singers can sing' bakhuda' better than atif inlcuding sunvinder and rahul vaidya, abhijeet etc who sang it in JJWS finale. Cheers!

Antar said...

@Neel,

I am not after any hidden connections which you meant and I never did such things in my entire blogging life even not in personal life.
Now don't say anything about Rahul Vaidya. In the show JJWS where he crowned was completely awful and to me he is the second worst winner in the history of any musical shows. The first honor definitely goes to Prashant Tamam of Indian Idol 3. You can't compare him with wonderful Abhijeet & Sunvinder. Atif to dur dur ki baat hein. If you really think Rahul can sing better than Atif then I am completely off to this topic here.

Hemant said...

Antar,

If you want to hear two hasbeens , a couple of nogood singers working as anchors, please see "Aaja Mahi Ve' which is another programme for people who have been failures so far in their love life.

Both of them make me SICK. really Sick.They are Rahul Vaidya and Vineet the Vaman.

Hemant

Antar said...

@Hemant Da,

Only for the presence of these two freaks (real life couple) I didn't watch a single episode of it. But one thing Dada, whether people failed or not, Rahul & Vineet are very successful so far in their love life. Don't u think the same! lol

Hemant said...

Antar da,

You made me ROTFL.

Hemant

 

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